Fox Sports 1 Debut

For a company to invest so much time and money into a channel Fox Sports 1 leaves a lot to be desired. Who ever  the developer of this, “America’s New Sports Network”, channel was did a bad job. How do you start a channel that only has 3 shows? Crowd Goes Wild, Fox Football Daily, and Fox Sports Live.

I mean you have NO morning programming at all, just re-airs of Fox Sports Live. Which re-airs from 2 A.M. until 12 P.M. (Noon).  That is just far too much “dead time” for any channel. They need a show from 8 A.M. until 12 P.M. to fill a good portion of that “dead time”.

So let’s breakdown the shows. Crowd Goes Wild- They dug up Regis Philbin to host the show. They have a British woman Georgie Thompson who talks about soccer. Really the show is a mess it’s boring and has no real direction.

Fox Football Daily- Hosted by Curt Menfee and Jay Glazer, They hit the mark with this show with analysts like Brian Urlacher, Ronde Barber, Randy Moss, and ex head of NFL officiating Mike Pereira. While mainly an NFL show it does cover college as well and it’s just a very good program.

Fox Sports Live- The anchors Jay Onrait and Dan O’Toole are really bad. I guess Fox thought they were funny but they aren’t Ryan Field and Don Bell currently the weekend anchors are much better without the failed attempts at humor. Fox Sports Live does do something good though with their panel of former athletes to talk about the day’s top stories. The panel hosted by Charissa Thompson that includes Donovan McNabb, Andy Roddick, and Gary Payton.

My hope for the channel is that it dumps Crowd Goes Wild and the anchors of Fox Sports Live and adds better and more programming. It’s a learning process but hopefully it won’t take the executives long to figure out what stays and what goes and where improvement is needed.

 

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My 53 Man Roster Prediction (Sure To Go Wrong)

Detroit Lions 2013 Final Roster prediction

Offense
WR
13    BURLESON, NATE U/Sea     83    Edwards, Patrick CF12

81    Johnson, Calvin 07/1     84    Broyles, Ryan 12/2         12         Willis, Matt SF13   5
OL
67    Sims, Rob T/Sea     74    Austin, Rodney CF12
71    Reiff, Riley 12/1     66    Waddle, LaAdrian CF13     00
70    Fox, Jason 10/4     78    Hilliard, Corey P/Cle
75    Warford, Larry                 65    GANDY, DYLAN SF09    8
TE
87    Pettigrew, Brandon 09/1     89    Williams, Michael 13/7     49
85    SCHEFFLER, TONY T/Den     47    Fauria, Joseph CF13   4
QB
9     Stafford, Matthew 09/1     14    HILL, SHAUN T/SF
17    Moore, Kellen CF12  3
RB
21    Bush, Reggie U/Mia         25    Leshoure, Mikel 11/2
35    Bell, Joique P/NO     34    40    Miller, Steven CF13
41    Riddick, Theo 13/6   5
Defense
DE
91    Jones, Jason U/Sea     79    Young, Willie 10/7
92    Taylor, Devin 13/4          94    Ansah, Ziggy 13/1
77    IDONIJE, ISRAEL SF13   5
DT
98    Fairley, Nick 11/1           90    Suh, Ndamukong 10/1
93    BANNAN, JUSTIN SF13   99    MOSLEY, CJ CC/Jax   4
LB
58    Palmer, Ashlee W/Buf        59    Whitehead, Tahir 12/5
55    Tulloch, Stephen U/Ten               52    MCINTOSH, ROCKY SF13
54    Levy, DeAndre 09/3         50    Lewis, Travis 12/7   6
CB
23    Houston, Chris T/Atl         28    Bentley, Bill 12/3
39    MATHIS, RASHEAN SF13     30    Slay, Darius 13/2
31    BARTELL, RONALD SF12  5
S
27    Quin, Glover U/Hou         29    WENDLING, JOHN SF10
42    Spievey, Amari 10/3
26    Delmas, Louis 09/2         32    Carey, Don SF11
5
Special Teams
P     6     Martin, Sam 13/5
PK     2     AKERS, DAVID CC/SF
LS     48    MUHLBACH, DON SF04      3

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Practice Squad
34    Owens, Montell CC/Jax     41    60    SCOTT, JAKE SF13
95    Nwagbuo, Ogemdi SF12     10    Fuller, Corey 13/6
62    Keyton, Darren CF13         45    Chapas, Shaun SF12
57    Hepburn, Brandon 13/7     33    Greenwood, Chris 12/5

 

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A Look At The Lions 2012 Final Roster Positional Breakdown By Numbers

2012 Detroit Lions roster   *************My predictions on how this year’s team will shake out by the numbers
Quarterbacks   3       This year   2

14 Shaun Hill
17 Kellen Moore
9 Matthew Stafford

Running Backs  5   This year 4

35 Joique Bell
45 Shaun Chapas FB
25 Mikel Leshoure
    11 Stefan Logan
    30 Kevin Smith

Wide Receivers   5   This year 5

18 Kris Durham
81 Calvin Johnson
    10 Kassim Osgood
    80 Brian Robiskie
    19 Mike Thomas

Tight Ends  3   This year 4

89 Will Heller
87 Brandon Pettigrew
85 Tony Scheffler

Offensive Linemen    9        5 T’s         2 C’s         2 G’s   This year 9

   76 Jeff Backus T
    77 Gosder Cherilus T
70 Jason Fox T
65 Dylan Gandy C
78 Corey Hilliard T
  66 Stephen Peterman G
51 Dominic Raiola C
71 Riley Reiff T
67 Rob Sims G

Defensive Linemen 9          5 DE’s       4 DT’s           This year 10

    92 Cliff Avril DE
    96 Andre Fluellen DT
    94 Lawrence Jackson DE
97 Ronnell Lewis DE
    95 Ogemdi Nwagbuo DT
    63 Jimmy Saddler-McQueen DT
90 Ndamukong Suh DT
    93 Kyle Vanden Bosch DE
79 Willie Young DE

Linebackers    6    This year 6

    52 Justin Durant OLB
54 DeAndre Levy OLB
50 Travis Lewis MLB
58 Ashlee Palmer MLB
55 Stephen Tulloch MLB
59 Tahir Whitehead OLB

Defensive Backs  10        5 CB’s       3 SS’        2 FS’    This year 10

41 Ron Bartell CB
32 Don Carey SS
26 Louis Delmas FS
31 Drayton Florence CB
36 Jonte Green CB
23 Chris Houston CB
    24 Tyrell Johnson SS
    27 Pat Lee CB
    39 Ricardo Silva SS
29 John Wendling FS

Special Teams    3     This year 3

   4 Jason Hanson K
5 Nick Harris P
48 Don Muhlbach LS

Reserve Lists

28 Bill Bentley CB (IR) Injury icon 2.svg
    44 Jahvid Best RB (PUP) Injury icon 2.svg
84 Ryan Broyles WR (IR) Injury icon 2.svg
13 Nate Burleson WR (IR) Injury icon 2.svg
98 Nick Fairley DT (IR) Injury icon 2.svg
33 Chris Greenwood CB (PUP) Injury icon 2.svg
    36 Jerome Harrison RB (NF-Ill.) Injury icon 2.svg
    98 Sammie Hill DT (IR) Injury icon 2.svg
    21 Jacob Lacey CB (IR) Injury icon 2.svg
    61 Bill Nagy G (IR) Injury icon 2.svg
42 Amari Spievey SS (IR) Injury icon 2.svg
    99 Corey Williams DT (IR) Injury icon 2.svg
    16 Titus Young WR (IR) Injury icon 2.svg

Practice Squad

74 Rodney Austin G
    38 Conroy Black CB
    73 Justin Boren G
    12 Troy Burrell WR
83 Patrick Edwards WR (Injured) Injury icon 2.svg
   47 Carmen Messina MLB
    43 Devin Moore RB
    40 Lionel Smith CB (Injured) Injury icon 2.svg
    34 Ross Weaver CB

Rookies in italics
53 Active, 13 Inactive, 9 Practice Squad

                       

Players with lines through them are no longer in the organization.

 

 

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Lions Observations From Patroits Game

Joique Bell is better than Leshoure, deal with it.

Jason Jones looks like a stud.

Reggie Bush, Matthew Stafford, Chris Houston all impressive.

Far too many penalties and STILL LACKING DISCIPLINE. Willie Young incomplete pass on 2nd down taunts Tom Brady. STUPID. Nick Fairley and C.J. Mosley each with Unsportsmanlike Conduct penalties as well.

Offensive line is set and looked much better this week.

Ezekiel Ansah and Darius Slay will have rookie growing pains, I expect Ansah to have some real nice SPLASH plays.

DeAndre Levy has been real good looking all pre season long.

David Akers will be our kicker.

Kellen Moore was ok for the #3 QB still going to be surprised if he makes the team.

Patrick Edwards did not impress.

Matt Willis has looked real nice.

Looks like the 3 players, Justin Bannan, Rocky McIntosh, Rashaen Mathis, the Lions just brought in will be playing and making contributions.

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Resentment Towards God

They’re many reasons people resent God. Most of the time it is because of loss. Loss of a loved one, loss of family, loss of a job, whatever other loss you can think of people turn that resentment toward God. Now some people resent Him but still believe in him. Others take their resentment and turn it into their reason to not believe God.

For example, “You took my fill in the blank for that I resent you want nothing to do with you and don’t believe in you.” How could you take someone or something so important from me? You’re supposed to love me. I am here to tell you God does love you. He understands your anger, resentment, ect. No matter why your resentment or anger, bring it to God, don’t run from Him to try to heal run towards Him. He’ll listen to any and all problems you have YES EVEN THE PROBLEMS YOU HAVE WITH HIM. We know  that  Romans 8:28

28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose.

He has a purpose for you. As a father, mother, brother, sister, whatever God has a calling in your life to fulfill, let Him.

If you have or had resentment toward God and never accepted Him through Jesus Christ His Son do it now. God loves you no matter how far away you feel from him He does. There is only 1 sin that is unforgivable. That sin is

Mark 3:28-29

“Truly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the children of man, and whatever blasphemies they utter, but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin”

What is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit you ask? Stripping it down, it’s rejecting Jesus Christ as the Son of God and the Savior of the world.  How is that blaspheming the Holy Spirit? Well the Holy Spirit is the One who convicts our hearts, our inner man, He is sent first to convict you of your need for Jesus Christ and if you reject the Spirit’s convictions ultimately you will die still in your sins and because of that you will NOT ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD.

John 16:7 7 Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you. But if I go, I will send him to you. 8 And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment: 9 concerning sin, because they do not believe in me; 10 concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father, and you will see me no longer; 11 concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.

The Holy Spirit’s role is not limited to convicting you of your need for God. He is our Guide and Helper it’s the Spirit who intercedes for us in according to the will of God.

If I accomplish nothing else in this life, it’s my hope and prayer that maybe, just maybe somebody will come to the saving grace through Jesus Christ because I played even the smallest of roles in doing so. That would forever be my biggest and proudest achievement no matter what else may happen throughout my life.

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Martin Mayhew Is He A Competent General Manager?

 

Martin Mayhew has been an utter failure at drafting. There’s no way around that fact.  He has moved up in the draft two times for running backs. First, for Jahvid Best taking a gamble on a player who had maybe the worst looking concussion college football has ever seen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tyv4du7BTOc

They moved up and traded with Minnesota for the 30th overall pick, Here are the details; Detroit traded its second- and one of its seventh-round picks to the Vikings and flip-flopped picks in the fourth round with Minnesota. The Vikings went on to take Chris Cook with the 34th pick Everson Griffen and Mickey Schuler Jr. So the Vikings didn’t make out real well there.

Then the very next draft the Lions traded with Seattle for the 57th pick to take Mikel Leshoure. Here are the details; Seattle traded its 2nd-round pick, 5th-round and 7th-rd pick for Detroit’s 3rd (75), 4th (107), 5th (No. 154) and 7th (205). Leaving Detroit with ZERO picks in the 3rd and 4th round. How did the Seattle Seahawks fair? Well they got a solid backup Guard in John Moffitt and oh yeah with pick no. 154 in the 5th round they drafted a guy named Richard Sherman. Not that the Detroit Lions would have had the foresight to select the kid but it adds just a wee bit more salt in the wound.

As you can see I only rated 4 out of his 21 picks as Good to Great. When you take out Matthew Stafford and Ndamukong Suh who were No.1 overall picks that means he has found 2 Good to Great players AND NONE OF THEM CAME PAST THE 1ST ROUND.

You look at the Packers and Ravens and the teams who are good, they draft guys like Ray Rice Marshal Yanda, Morgan Burnett, James Jones. Then they found guys WHO WEREN’T DRAFTED like Sam Shields, Tramon Williams, James Ihedigbo. The Lions currently have 1 undrafted player who has seen significant time on the active roster. Drum roll please…… Ashlee Palmer. Mostly a special teamer fighting for the Strong Side Linebacker position this year.

So you can decide if Mayhew has done a good job at drafting or not. Don’t forget one last thing, the team he inherited was horrible but it did have Calvin Johnson.

Martin Mayhew Picks

Underlined players are no longer in the Lions organization.
Total Miss  9           Marginal player/career  7        Good to Great player/career   4

 2009
1a     1     Matthew Stafford     QB     Georgia
1b     20     Brandon Pettigrew(from Dallas)     TE     Oklahoma State
2      33     Louis Delmas     S     Western Michigan
3b     76     DeAndre Levy(From Saints through Jets)     OLB     Wisconsin
3c      82     Derrick Williams(from Dallas)     WR     Penn State
4      115     Sammie Lee Hill(From Redskins through Jets)     DT     Stillman
6b     192     Aaron Brown(from Dallas)     RB     TCU
7a     228     Lydon Murtha(from the Jets)     OT     Nebraska
7b     235     Zack Follet(From Falcons through Broncos)     OLB     California
7c     255     Dan Gronkowski(Compensatory selection)     TE     Maryland

4 players left out of 10
2010
1a    2     Ndamukong Suh     DT     Nebraska
1b     30     Jahvid Best(from Minnesota)     RB     California
3     66     Amari Spievey     CB     Iowa
4b      128     Jason Fox(from Minnesota)     T     Miami
7b     213     Willie Young(from Seattle)     DE     North Carolina State
7e     255     Tim Toone     WR     Weber State

4 players left out of 6
2011
1     13     Nick Fairley     DT     Auburn
2a     44     Titus Young     WR     Boise State
2b      57     Mikel Leshoure     RB     Illinois
5c     157     Doug Hogue     LB     Syracuse
7b    209     Johnny Culbreath(from Cle through Sea)     T     South Carolina State

2 players left out of 5

So from 2009 through 2011 we have 10 players left out of 21, doesn’t take a math major to see his success rate is a shade under 50%. Not the success rate you want when THIS IS HOW YOUR TEAM IS BUILT, not free agency, but the draft.

2012
1     23     Riley Reiff     OT     Iowa
2     54     Ryan Broyles     WR     Oklahoma
3     85     Dwight Bentley     CB     Louisiana Lafayette
4b     125     Ronnell Lewis     OLB/DE     Oklahoma
5a     138     Tahir Whitehead     OLB     Temple
5b     148     Chris Greenwood     CB     Albion
6     196     Jonte Green     DB     New Mexico State
7a     223     Travis Lewis     OLB     Oklahoma
2013
1     5     Ezekiel Ansah     DE     BYU
2     36     Darius Slay     CB     Mississippi State
3     68     Larry Warford     G     Kentucky
4     132     Devin Taylor(Comp.)     DE     South Carolina
5     165     Sam Martin (From Ravens through Seahawks)     P     Appalachian St.
6     171     Corey Fuller     WR     Virginia Tech
6     199     Theo Riddick (From 49ers through Ravens and Seahawks) RB     Notre Dame
7     211     Michael Williams     TE     Alabama
7a     245     Brandon Hepburn (Comp.)     ILB     Florida A&M

 

 

 

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Lions Fans Brace Yourselves

The first 2 pre season games are in the books and the starting offense has scored ZERO touchdowns.

Let me get the bad out-of-the-way.

The secondary looks really bad. Bill Bentley is NOT  a slot corner. We have NO reliable receivers other than Calvin Johnson. Brandon Pettitgrew is STILL dropping passes. Scott Linehan is still calling the same plays he’s been calling since the day he came to Detroit. Scott, that end around isn’t fooling ANYBODY. We have 2 good running backs; Joique Bell and Reggie Bush and Linehan never puts them on the field at the same time. It’s the same looks over and over and over.

This team is not a playoff team. It’d be a miracle if we could be an 8-8 team. Jim Schwartz sealed his fate this off-season when he fired a very good assistant coach, one the players liked and trusted, Shawn Jefferson and failed to fire Linehan. On top of that Martin Mayhew did the team NO favors by not drafting a true #2 WR. In the 2nd round he took yet another cornerback who seems to be another failed pick. Meanwhile Robert Woods and Aaron Dobson were both on the board. In the 3rd round Keenan Allen, Terrance Williams were there. The one draft he doesn’t trade up. It’s like this organization can not dig its head out of the darn sand.

Now for the good. Nick Fairley looks very good. Reggie Bush is going to help this offense, just not as much as many believed when he signed. Ezekiel Ansah is going to make plays. Willie Young looks like a new man. Chris Houston is the only steady player on the secondary.  So if your counting at home, it’s the defensive line as the positive and everyone else as a question mark at best.  I believe once Schwartz finally chooses his starting offensive line that they will continue to get better throughout the season, Continuity is key for offensive lineman and it’s only gained by playing together.

I’m tired of Lions fans and media alike trashing Matthew Stafford. The kid is a very good QB. He can’t make guys hold onto the ball for him. He can’t block for himself and he can’t implement new offensive packages that would give him a higher percentage of having a good play. The only thing he can do is A) Be accurate and B) Be smart with the ball.

I’m not hitting the panic button because of 2 pre season games. I said it back in March. This team as currently constructed is not a playoff team. I hope they prove me wrong but I see way too many flaws with management and personnel for this to be a playoff season.

 

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Women Who Love Sports

Growing up my mother never really watched or cared about sports at all. I remember about 4 years old watching the Detroit Tigers on PASS sports, now Fox Sports Detroit, I would watch these guys smashing this ball with what appeared to be a club of sorts. I would often turn on the tv hoping to find the Tigers playing. I was often letdown and they had stupid horse racing on. I’ve hated horse racing since then. When I did find the Tigers playing I took our fly swatter and would take my swings with the batters on television. My mom thought it was cute except I often bent up her fly swatter.

My mom watched all the games I played in growing up but she’s still not a sports fan. In elementary school I had a teacher who was the best. I went with my mom’s husband to a Muskegon Lumberjacks game and ran into this teacher there. It was the first time I had met a female who loved sports. Now my teacher her husband and two daughters all took me to a game with them one time, It was pretty cool to see a family that all participated in the same things. I recall my teacher and the fans around us giving the referee a hard time by chanting, “Nuts and bolts, nuts and bolts, we got screwed.” Then she looked down at me and said, “Kevie, you don’t say this anywhere else but here.”

My teacher and her husband also took me to some of our high school’s varsity football games. I believe both of her girls were in the band and attended the game for that, but she loves football too and even if her kids weren’t in the band she would have been there. I’ve since met some more women who love sports and I think it’s an awesome thing. A lot of guys may contest that sports are “their” thing, I think being able to share sports with someone you like is great.

Here is an excerpt of an email from my friend Diana.

I was 13 years old when I was introduced to football by my father. He’d watch it every Sunday and I thought it was ridiculous. I told him “football is stupid”. He told me to sit down and watch a game with him and that’s when my love of football began. I remember seeing Joe Montana and Jerry Rice just light up the defenses. The 49ers were my favorite team back then. My dad broke down football terms so I could understand what a touchdown was, what offense meant, what defense meant, etc. I started watching football every Sunday with him. He quizzed me on what he taught me and I would pass. I looked forward to Sunday football with my dad and I began to love on the game of football. I remember watching my first super bowl, it was the 49ers vs the Broncos and the 49ers killed them; the score was like 55 to 15 or something like that. My football Sundays changed forever when my father died. My mother liked football too, but football Sundays was my time with my dad. I decided to honor his memory by continuing to be a fan of the game I came to love. When I discovered who the home team was, my allegiance shifted to the home team and has been there ever since. I became such a fan of the game that me and my mom would support my cousin every Friday night. The Pershing Doughboys! My mom and the other mothers of the team would cook huge meals before and after the game for the team and would support them every week. My cousin was a middle LB and was a beast! He hit one guy so hard one day, that the guy broke his neck. My cousin was so sad, but he didn’t let it deter his tenacity on the field. I became a loyal fan of football in general. I love watching my younger cousin play now. And I have been called delusional from being a Lions fan, but football will always be my first love when it comes to sports. When I went to college, I was told the Buckeyes are my biggest and most bitter rival, and the Spartans are next. Football was a part of me, seared into my heart. Sundays meant church and football…God first of course.

I recently asked my teacher how she became a sports fan. She told me because her dad liked sports and it gave her a chance to get closer to him. I love that teacher and her family.

Sports do bring us together.

I’ve been to games where I didn’t know anyone around me but when our team scored we were high fiving and totally just happy as fans of a team and it was a neat experience. You can’t just walked up to anonymous people and high-five them for no particular reason. Likely to never see each other again but for a moment in time we were fans of a common team. Color, religion, none of that came into play.

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NFL Training Camp- Shattered Dreams (Literally)

If you seen tonight’s episode of ‘Hard Knocks‘, you seen what happened to undrafted free agent defensive tackle Larry Black. On a play in practice he was being blocked his cleat got caught, he got leg whipped on accident by a teammate and broke his leg and dislocated his ankle all at once. Now he may be able to come back from the injury but it’s a long shot at best.

I’m writing this piece because it brings me back to training camp last season for the Philadelphia Eagles. A young man from my hometown was on the team WR Ronald Johnson. He had this exact same injury last year, as Black did this year.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/inq-eagles/Ronald-Johnson-carted-off-practice-field-with-apparent-ankle-injury.html

This was probably the most talent kid to come from Muskegon, Michigan since Curtis Adams. Ronald, also known as, RoJo was recruited by EVERYBODY. Michigan, Michigan State, LSU, Florida, Alabama, ect. RoJo ended up playing for the University of Southern California. Played his full 4 years for the Trojans and was drafted by the San Francisco 49ers in the 2011. They cut him and he was picked up by Philadelphia almost immediately, He spent the season on the practice squad and really put in the work to make the 53 man roster in 2012. Sadly I doubt he’ll ever fulfill his NFL dreams. Being a wide receiver your legs are your livelihood. I don’t know as a fact but I’m guessing football is no longer an option for Ronald but he’s a good young man and got his degree and I’m sure he’ll be a great asset to whatever community he chooses to live in.  It’s the tough reality of the NFL and the injuries that come along from it.

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2013 NFL Hall of Fame Class

The 2013 NFL Hall of Fame class is in the books. The following were inducted; Bill Parcells, Cris Carter, Warren Sapp, Jonathan Odgen. With two senior selections as well, Curley Culp, and Dave Robinson

 

Five players failed to get in this class on the final vote. Jerome Bettis, Michael Strahan, Charles Haley, Aeneas Williams, and Andre Reed.

Bill Parcells.
Should He Be In? Yes. I totally agree with him being in the HOF. Parcells was a terrific Head Coach. He won two Super Bowls in the biggest media market in the country with the New York Giants and lead the New England Patriots to the Super Bowl as well. He also went into upper management with the New York Jets and Miami Dolphins.

Cris Carter
Should He Be In? No. While Carter was a good wide receiver He’s not a Hall of Fame player. His best quality as a player was his ability to get his tip toes in bounds while making a catch. He never  went to a Super Bowl, was only voted All Pro first team twice. Carter would be an ordinary receiver in today’s NFL all of his records will be broken soon.

Warren Sapp
Should He Be In? Absolutely. Warren was an absolute problem playing the 2 technique from his Defensive Tackle position in the now famed “Tampa 2” defense. I could put the stats up but it really doesn’t matter his was the heart and soul of the Buccaneers defense that ultimately won the Super Bowl in 2003. Warren was a special player able to still smile and have fun while playing in the trenches.

Jonathan Ogden
Should He Be In? Yes. There were only two Hall of Fame Left Tackles in the past decade and a half. Orlando Pace and Johnathan Ogden. Ogden was superb both technically and physically. While he never had an elite quarterback to protect he was awesome as a run blocker too. For an offensive tackle to get to the second and sometimes third level(s) of the defense is basically unheard of except on a screen or something but Ogden would often do it and just road grade defensive players. It’s no coincidence that most of Jamal Lewis’ 2000 yard season came behind Ogden and the left side of that offensive line.
Dave Robinson

Curley Culp
Never seen either of these men play so I can not give an honest opinion on how great they were but they must have been great to be Hall of Fame players.

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